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Funky Lazers
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Posted - 2013.04.16 18:43:00 -
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Are we getting the Torp changes or not?
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Funky Lazers
shin-ra ltd
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Posted - 2013.04.17 11:35:00 -
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amurder Hakomairos wrote:lilol' me wrote:We have to remember that usually Cruise Missiles are not supposed to be for ship to ship battles. In RL like the tomahawks they are used to shoot land targets or 'structures' mainly. They not used for moving targets.
So its not really a PVP tool is it. However we used to have the TASM which was an anti ship missile and this is exactly what we need in eve. A NEW Cruise Missile specifically designed for PVP.
They should still be only shooting large ships, but have much much more velocity and perhaps not as much DPS. I know we have rage and precision cruise but I still dont think they are PVP based missiles as they dont have enough velocity.
The changes to say 14 seconds just does nothing to help this. Seriously 14 seconds to hit a target in PVP. Forget it. I know thats base but still. This. Cruise missiles will be 100% useless and unused in pvp unless a pvp specific version is created with enough velocity that it can fly 200km in 1-2 seconds.
Agree. Moreover you should be able to use them without the Painters.
Not only you can't use painters on a long range, but also they have a long cycle time so switching targets will be a pain in the a$$.
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Funky Lazers
shin-ra ltd
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Posted - 2013.04.17 11:55:00 -
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Shingorash wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:amurder Hakomairos wrote:lilol' me wrote:We have to remember that usually Cruise Missiles are not supposed to be for ship to ship battles. In RL like the tomahawks they are used to shoot land targets or 'structures' mainly. They not used for moving targets.
So its not really a PVP tool is it. However we used to have the TASM which was an anti ship missile and this is exactly what we need in eve. A NEW Cruise Missile specifically designed for PVP.
They should still be only shooting large ships, but have much much more velocity and perhaps not as much DPS. I know we have rage and precision cruise but I still dont think they are PVP based missiles as they dont have enough velocity.
The changes to say 14 seconds just does nothing to help this. Seriously 14 seconds to hit a target in PVP. Forget it. I know thats base but still. This. Cruise missiles will be 100% useless and unused in pvp unless a pvp specific version is created with enough velocity that it can fly 200km in 1-2 seconds. Agree. Moreover you should be able to use them without the Painters. Not only you can't use painters on a long range, but also they have a long cycle time so switching targets will be a pain in the a$$. So you should be able to use Guns without Tracking Computers as well then? And perhaps they should remove the cap requirement for Hybrids and Energy weapons as well? That is basically what you are saying right? Each weapon system has drawbacks as well as benefits. You just have to learn to deal with them.
I didn't say "without TC". If TCs/TEs affect missiles that would be great and remove a lot of problems.
As for drawbacks missiles have already a lot of them, like bad tracking (expl radius and speed), flight time and defenders.
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Funky Lazers
shin-ra ltd
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Posted - 2013.04.17 15:07:00 -
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There are 2 things Torps should have buffed: Range via velocity and reduced size so you can load more.
You should have at least 30-40 torps in your launcher. Compared to other short range weapons 20 torps is a very small amount.
ACs have 120 rounds and 3x faster rate of fire, so if you compare the fair sizes it will be 40 projectiles vs 20 torps.
Blasers have 80 rounds and 2x faster rate of fire, again 40.
As for the range, it is obvious Torps need more range since they have enough drawbacks already.
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Funky Lazers
shin-ra ltd
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Posted - 2013.04.17 15:27:00 -
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Janna Windforce wrote:Could SBs get their cruise missiles bonus again?
No.
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Funky Lazers
shin-ra ltd
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Posted - 2013.04.17 15:50:00 -
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Well, with Guns I need 1-2 TEs and a Web to apply my damage effectively. You can even hit frigs with blasters/ACs.
To do the same using missiles I need 1-2 painters, a Web and 2-3 Rigs.
Speaking of PvP, how does the change make Cruises any better than before? I mean the damage will be still penalized after this change or will become worse because of Expl radius increase.
So is it a PvP or PvE buff?
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Funky Lazers
shin-ra ltd
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Posted - 2013.04.18 11:38:00 -
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Splinter 07 wrote:10% increase in explosion radius for all Cruise Missiles
Why are you increasing the cruise missile explosion radius, the whole reason why missiles are not used in PvP is not because of missile flight time nor there damage but because the missiles cant apply the damage they are doing in the first place, even hitting a BS you still require a web. So your going to increase damage and ROF at the same time nerfing them?
I guess this change is about PvE, since it doesn't affect PvP at all.
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Funky Lazers
shin-ra ltd
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Posted - 2013.04.19 09:52:00 -
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Bereza Mia wrote:Typhoon vs Raven
Before this cruise missiles changes many ppl said that Typhoon will be far better than Raven due to it +25% explosion speed.
What we have now, with all this new cruise?
The gap between T and R will become even more.
+missile velocity = Raven's bonus will be less valuable
+explosion radius = Typhoon's bonus will be more valuable
Unless Torps change.
If the range changes from 20km to 30-35km with no ship bonus Raven might shine. Because right now there is not much of a difference between 20km and 30km.
With the increased range it will be 30-35km on a Phoon and 45-48km on a Raven which will make Raven bonus viable.
Anyway I'm gonna grab some popcorn and wait for the news on Torps.
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Funky Lazers
shin-ra ltd
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Posted - 2013.04.19 21:11:00 -
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You can't beat the nuke.
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Funky Lazers
shin-ra ltd
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Posted - 2013.04.19 22:09:00 -
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Lol because that gif is a fake.
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Funky Lazers
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Posted - 2013.04.20 06:11:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:Funky Lazers wrote:Lol because that gif is a fake. Um, I think you are wrong.
It looks shopped, I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time.
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